Originally by: Kulmid

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ECCM is no where near broken in its current state, just for some reason no one uses it.

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Originally by: Burn Mac

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Nerf Jam cycle length!

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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic

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Originally by: Damned Force

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Damn a Lachesis is able to damp my fully sensorboosted carriers lockrange to 50km and so make me sitting while killed....
A single Lachesis... 100% of the time.....

Damn thats overpowered. a falcon cant do this...... nerf the lachesis????? NO!!!!!!!!!!!

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if you use a carrier and dont bring in a fleet to defend you from superior forces, thats your problem. u still can lock and u still can use drones.

well, if a falcon comes in @150+ km, you can do nothing, except for hoping your fighters or drones wont do something stupid. and a falcon can jam much more targets, while the gallente recon can only effectively hinder only one target @much shorter range, that still can lock and shot if it gets close enough to someone.

go back to your cave fail troll

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Originally by: Damned Force

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Now try to calculate out how many % chance the falcon would have to jam the carrier. and the falcon from 150km cant hold down the carrier but a lachess from 48 can....and he can evendamp the carrier under this...
so u failed

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This is only like, relevant in a lachersis vs a solo carrier example.... which is a very common situation!

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/08/2008 13:06:15

Originally by: Damned Force

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Is very rare u can permajam 2-3 BS from 228km and if u fail u down.

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You're generally not down, because sniper fits are quite rare (and specialist counter-ECM fits anyway), and you're not getting instapopped by a lone sniper, unless you somehow get over 6K alpha at 228km (which you don't, sorry).

What is rare is falcons operating at 220-ish km - 150-180km seems far more common.

It's definitely less rare then finding a solo carrier

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Is very rare that with 3 eccm u jammed over a minute

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As is having 3 ECCM. Most ships can fit 1 without too many sacrifices - 2 are already a stretch and three will murder any fit (sniper fits, too).

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Originally by: GateScout

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Originally by: Lorz0r

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Falcon is 180km away so it still proceeds to permajam 2-3 battleships even with ECCM (I have NEVER seen a falcon within 60km of my BS

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You are totally 100% full of shit. Do the math on that. Go calculate the probability of permanently jamming 3 battleships....they can even be the same race....say for 5 cycles. Don't forget that a falcon will need a sensor booster to jam at that range...so subtract 1 ECM from the mids... and we'll assume the falcon pilot isn't using a MWD either...

ECCM works fine. It works more than fine. Even without it, if your gane allows a falcon to get off more than 1 cycle of jams, you're either an idiot or your gang is WAY too restrictive.

Countering a falcon is EASY. Adapt or die.

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Originally by: Cautet

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Edited by: Cautet on 28/08/2008 08:19:02
Edited by: Cautet on 28/08/2008 08:14:52

Originally by: Gamesguy

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Gamesguy

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Untanked ishtar has roughly 10k EHP against scorch. Who said anything about a sniper apoc? Pulse apoc/geddon/abaddon would do just fine.

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And your pulse apoc is going to hit my Ishtar 240km away how?

-Liang

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I didnt realize your ishtar had a magical teleportation device that teleports it 200km in the blink of an eye. My mistake.

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His hypothetical ishtar is using bookmarks, just like your hypethetical falcon.

Edit: yep I can't spell

Can i just say about this whole thread that there are some seriously strange assumptions being made, and indeed in every single falcon thread I have read this is the case. Most of these are made by people who know better and just want to make falcons seem more powerfull than they are.

A. 5 falcons are subject to overlap. 10 falcons even more. It's not like with dps where you can add the dps of one ship to another ship (even that is sketchy because dps is theoretical).

B. Ranged ships are hard to kill without using ranged ships and/or bookmarks OR warpins/warpouts. There are a whole host of ranged ships and they have uses above and beyond anti-falcon use. In particular Zealot, Eagle, Munim, Ferox, arazu, lachesis, caracal, moa, cerb, plus of course the sniper bs, and the many I have missed. These ranged ships can kill other ranged ships including the falcon. In fact the falcon has less tank than almost any other ranged ship. You could also set setry drones up (I really have no experience of sentry drones or drone links so I won't go into it).

C. ECCM does what it says on the tin. Yes you have to give a slot up for it and yes it makes you much harder to jam.

D. Close range BS remote repping are very powerfull. But a remote rep gang is not a balanced gang. In fact they are a deliberately unbalanced gang; they gain the ability to take and dish out vast amounts of damage for weakness to ANY ranged ships. On top of this they are vulnerable to ecm preventing the repping. This does not mean ranged ships or ecm is unbalanced, it means you take the decision to play rock you better watch out for paper.

E. If you opponent has multiple bookmarks and/or organised warpins then he has a tactical advantage.

F. Grid size limits the distance of engagement. On some grids you will be lucky to get 180km out, on some you can happily engage from 230km. Many grids limit the number of possible locations a sniper or falcon can be at and/or the range they can be at.

Tl;dr

Rock beats sissors but loses to paper then comes on forum and whines. Paper gets nerfed and comes on forum to whine about sissors. Sissors whines about both rock and paper and pulls stats out of his anus.

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